How do you decide where to live?

Over the last two years, Sam and I have talked about mov­ing else­where. Geor­gia has almost no con­sumer pro­tec­tions for cit­i­zens, has a crappy sup­port struc­ture for humans in just about every way you can imag­ine, and has law enforce­ment who don’t care to enforce laws unless you’ve got enough money to get their atten­tion. Essen­tially, we want to live in a blue state, which means leav­ing the Bible belt. Cooler weather would be nice, too. Less humid heat, at least, would be a relief.

We haven’t really made plans, not want­ing to uproot Katie while she was in school and so on. There’s a lot of iner­tia, too, since I’ve been here all my life (except for the few years in Alabama before my par­ents moved us to Atlanta). Sam was born here, and wasn’t thrilled with New York or New Jer­sey when he lived there. Our fam­i­lies are here, which means some­thing, even if we don’t see them that often.

But more and more, I want to be some­where else. I’ve started look­ing for work as I get closer to com­plet­ing my degree, and I can’t help but think, “Yeah, but what if we move?” In my head, it’s even start­ing to be, “What about when we move?”

I have an assign­ment for school this week, in which I’m sup­posed to research the job mar­ket some­where else in the U.S., pre­tend­ing that my spouse/​partner is being trans­ferred there. Since the pro­fes­sor isn’t assign­ing loca­tions, I decided to make it a lit­tle more use­ful. I took the quizzes at Find Your Spot, which seem to be a bit more thor­ough than the “paste the results in your blog” vari­eties, and was quite sur­prised at the results. FWIW, I don’t remem­ber any ques­tions about polit­i­cal lean­ings. They were about the kind of weather you pre­fer, how impor­tant arts or spots or shop­ping is to you, the indus­try in which you work, and so on.

Ore­gon. Ore­gon, Ore­gon and Ore­gon. Of the top 24 sug­ges­tions, six cities are in Ore­gon: Port­land, Salem, Eugene, Cor­val­lis, Med­ford, and Bend. Wow.

I know noth­ing about Ore­gon, other than the fact that it’s in the Pacific North­west, on the coast between Wash­ing­ton and Cal­i­for­nia. It has the Sil­i­con For­est area. It has a higher cost of liv­ing than Geor­gia, but just about every­where does.1 They have an anti-​​gay mar­riage law. Ick.

A few of the other places on the list can be dis­missed out of hand. I don’t want to live in D.C., nope. Chicago and Mil­wau­kee are cold! I’ve never really thought about Con­necti­cut or Rhode Island. Hus­band v.1 and I talked about Mass­a­chu­setts a lit­tle, because he wanted to go into marine biol­ogy and Woods Hole is there. Albu­querque is a mys­tery, other than remem­ber­ing Bugs Bunny telling us to turn there. Cal­i­for­nia? Eh. I’ve been to Mary­land, but just to Rockville, not Baltimore.

I don’t really know how peo­ple go about find­ing a place where they want to live. It seems that they mostly get trans­ferred some­where, or move to go to school, or in a few cases move to the cen­ter of a par­tic­u­lar indus­try. Have any of you really eval­u­ated dif­fer­ent states and made a delib­er­ate choice to move there?

I’d like to avoid extreme weather, espe­cially, say, hur­ri­canes. Humid heat is tire­some. A decent econ­omy is impor­tant, and Sam and I both work (have worked, pre­fer to work) in high-​​tech com­pa­nies. Mass tran­sit is impor­tant, since I’m not dri­ving. Mass tran­sit pretty much means cities, doesn’t it? Health care is a big fac­tor, but any­where that has high tech com­pa­nies should have hos­pi­tals and the like, right? Less crime than Atlanta would be lovely. More accep­tance of non-​​Christian peo­ple would be dreamy. Am I silly to think that there will be fan­dom, gamers, and filk­ers in just about any city?


1 Okay, maybe Alabama or Mis­sis­sippi are lower, but who wants to move there?

10 Comments

  1. XtinaS says:

    Okay, maybe Alabama or Mis­sis­sippi are lower, but who wants to move there?

    No one smart.

    Port­land is fan­tas­tic.  Green in cul­ture and veg­e­ta­tion, good with parks and art, great place for beers.  The weather rarely gets that extreme — we get winds, due to being close to the coast, but they’re not too bad.  The worst that has hap­pened is flooding.

  2. Steve says:

    No I have never specif­i­cally looked into some place to move to just because I wanted to live there. As you said every time I moved in my life but 1 was job related and that 1 was to make a LDR local (yes, when I moved to Alabama to be with Gwen).

    How­ever hav­ing now lived in 10 dif­fer­ent cities cov­er­ing pretty all of the regions of the coun­try except the Pacific Coast and North West­ern states I do have a but of insight into what you will find.

    “I’d like to avoid extreme weather, espe­cially, say, hurricanes.”

    Harder to avoid than you’d think. Every part of the coun­try is prone to some type of extreme weather to one degree or another. Prob­a­bly your best bet for avoid­ing tru­ely extreme weather would be South­ern Cal­i­for­nia but you still Have Santa Anna Winds, occa­sional tem­per­a­tures over 100 Degrees, and when the weather coop­er­ates the threat of Earth­quakes. After that the Mid Atlantic and Appalachian states are likely your next best bet where the severe weather is at least rare.

    “Sam and I both work (have worked, pre­fer to work) in high-​​tech companies”

    These exist in just about any city with a pop­u­la­tion over a mil­lion. Some are bet­ter than oth­ers but don’t nec­es­sar­ily shy away from smaller to mid sized cities in the mid west. Sure there are fewer IT related jobs, but there are also fewer peo­ple with the skills to be able to take them on. I’ve also found that the IT payscales in the Rust Belt por­tion of the mid­west comes very close to match­ing that found on the coasts with the cost of liv­ing being sig­nif­i­cantly cheaper.

    “Mass tran­sit is impor­tant, since I’m not dri­ving. Mass tran­sit pretty much means cities, doesn’t it?”

    Yes, not just cities but BIG cities. Sure any city of any size will have some sort of mass tran­sit sys­tem, doesn’t mean it would be a worth­while one. It is a fairly safe bet that if the city has a pop­u­la­tion much less than about 3 mil­lion that it can­not sup­port a mean­ing­ful mass tran­sit system.

    “Health care is a big fac­tor, but any­where that has high tech com­pa­nies should have hos­pi­tals and the like, right?”

    Yeah, pretty much every­where but small towns is going to have at least a cou­ple of pretty decent hospitals.

    “Less crime than Atlanta would be lovely.”

    Not all that hard to achieve, Atlanta has one of the higher Crime Rates in the coun­try. In fact you’d be almost hard pressed to find one worse than Atlanta. Detroit, St Louis, LA, NY, Hous­ton, New Orleans would be right out but Atlanta may be 7th on the list after those.

    “More accep­tance of non-​​Christian peo­ple would be dreamy”

    This pretty much restricts you to the coasts, Min­nesotta, Wis­consn, and a few of the larger cities in the inte­rior of the coun­try (Austin Texas, Den­ver Co, is pretty open and accept­ing from what I remem­ber, a cou­ple of oth­ers but I’m not cer­tain what they would be), for the most part the rest of the cen­ter of the coun­try could be termed Jesusstan.

    “Am I silly to think that there will be fan­dom, gamers, and filk­ers in just about any city? ”

    Yes and no. It is a safe bet that in any city of any size there will be at least a few geeks, filk­ers are some­what rarer being only a very small sub­set of the group known as geeks. The prob­lem is whether you can find geeks who are over the age of 15, are will­ing to accept us old folks, have time to add new friends into their lives, and that you can get along with.

    As an exam­ple we have lived here in Louisville for a lit­tle over a year. We have met a cou­ple of other geeks but been essen­tially unable to make any friends while we have been here. I know you and Sam are bet­ter at net­work­ing and mak­ing friends than we are and you don’t have young kids to scare away 20 some­thing geeks but you do have to accept that if you leave Atlanta it may be 2 or 3 years before you can build any­thing resem­bling a com­mu­nity of friends. Heck it may even be more than a year before you could find any­one else to game with.

    I don’t know a whole lot about Port­land but it does seem based on what you are look­ing for that it may be a good fit. Boston is another one that might work for you. Hon­estly if it weren’t for the win­ter weather Min­neapo­lis would be per­fect for the two of you (it is prob­a­bly the coolest city I have lived in in this coun­try) but the weather would rule it out. Phoenix might work but I don’t remem­ber it hav­ing a very good Pub­lic tran­sit sys­tem (of course it was almost 20 years ago when I lived there so who knows what it is like now) but those are the only ones which could pos­si­bly give you most of what you were look­ing for.

    Of course if you moved to Louisville you’d have a ready made gam­ing group and being a hir­ing man­ager there is a chance I might be able to help with a job search (if not in my depart­ment at the very least I’ll know of all of the IT open­ings in the company) :-)

  3. Dena Shunra says:

    Well, Port­land Ore­gon has got to be just about my favorite city in the U.S. — both to visit and to think of mov­ing to (although real­is­ti­cally, I’m prob­a­bly stay­ing put for the fore­see­able future).

    When we were pick­ing a place to move to, from out­side the U.S. back into it, we wanted a place with views and a “sense of place” sort of feel­ing. We wanted weather, but not too much of it. We wanted a place that wasn’t quite a big city, but not too impos­si­bly far from a big city (we failed on that one. TWO HOURS from the city. Eeek!)

    You know where we ended up.
    What we found out after arriv­ing here is that Wash­ing­ton is a south­ern state, in terms of accent and “feel” — there’s a slow pace and a sense of hos­pi­tal­ity that makes it very pleas­ant to live here. A cor­dial­ity. Man­ners. (Does that makes sense?)

    Portland’s pub­lic tran­sit sys­tem is beyond awe­some. It is a beau­ti­ful city to look at. Most impor­tant, it is full of edu­ca­tional oppor­tu­ni­ties, which make it a good option for when Katie pro­ceeds into col­lege. It has a lovely, lovely library (now that MATTERS in a city). It has all those freaky bridges… …but most of all, it has a vibrant, open-​​air “feel” to it.

    I see a vaca­tion in Port­land in your future…

  4. cyn says:

    Thanks to all of you :-)

    Min­nesota and Wis­con­sin were both on that list, Steve. They were higher when I went back and was less wimpy about the weather. Sioux Falls, SC was on top then, though — eeek!

    We do know some lovely peo­ple in the Pacific North­west. Of course, if we plot­ted them all out on Frappr or the like, we know peo­ple all over this coun­try and at least two oth­ers. Emi­grat­ing is unlikely to work, but we’d cer­tainly like to meet many of you in per­son (or see you again, in Steve & Chris’ case).

    I don’t travel well, but it would be silly to con­sider a move with­out vis­it­ing the tar­get location.

  5. Sam Chupp says:

    If I just use pod­cast­ing or gam­ing as a fil­ter, I’d choose Seat­tle, Phoenix, or Upstate NY. Hmmmm.…interesting.

  6. Purr says:

    We’re talk­ing about mov­ing to Port­land, too. (Actu­ally, I think 90% of the coun­try is. It’s almost grow­ing TOO fast.)
    The weather is decent, but the peo­ple can be… odd. If you are REALLY inter­ested, join up on the ‘damn­port­landers’ LJ com­mu­nity to get to know the peo­ple, places and atti­tudes. I highly rec­om­mend it, but the pop­u­la­tion boom is going to bust sooner or later.

    As for the “anti-​​gay mar­riage” topic… there was legal action this week along those lines. As of Mon­day morn­ing, domes­tic part­ner­ships are allowed. You might want to Google up some of the news reports.

    If you can telecom­mute, or even com­mute ($80 round-​​trip air­fare to Seat­tle and Port­land areas) North Idaho is mild, smaller, and has a lot of personal-​​right pro­tec­tion laws that DO get enforced. No point in vot­ing here, since the big pol­i­tics is down on the other “pop­u­lated areas” down south with the con­ser­v­a­tives. The real day-​​to-​​day liv­ing though is never com­pro­mised by the neg­a­tive Urban leg­end stuff that the rest of the world hears about.

    Just toss­ing out some ideas.

  7. Hope says:

    I’ve gen­er­ally moved for jobs of liv­ing arrange­ments, myself. But right now I’m at a place in my life where I rea­son­ably could choose where I want to live, and could save up to move if that’s what I chose to do. I’m not at all sure how I’d make that decision!

    I’ll cer­tainly be inter­ested in the process you and Sam use, if you do pur­sue liv­ing some­where else :)

  8. amqueue says:

    I’m sorry to see that you’re not will­ing to con­sider the north­east. I was going to sug­gest Penn­syl­va­nia. Lower cost of liv­ing, I’ve been told that Philly has a decent tran­sit sys­tem, and near enough to other use­ful places.

    Yes, if you need mass tran­sit you need seri­ous metro areas. I’m not sure how many of them are in your cli­mate range.

  9. cyn says:

    We haven’t ruled out the north­east, AMQ. I appre­ci­ate the suggestion :-)

  10. Ariah Fine says:

    hav­ing grown up in Madi­son and now liv­ing in Min­neapo­lis I’ll have to give another vote for either of those states and cities, also Chicago is pretty swell.